The Argument Clinic

11/13/2013

Shane Simmons

11/18/2013 03:58:24 am

This clip displays the classic contradiction argument which proves to be effective as an annoyance and does so in a childish manner. I remember the countless minutes being in an argument like this as a child where yes and no's are rapidly fired back and forth from opposite ends of an issue. The video demonstrates this in a humorous fashion to make it not only funny but a great demonstration of an ineffective argument. It's ironic, we should have started an argument on this blog rather than the last one.

Kerry Connolly

11/24/2013 10:11:19 am

I agree Shane this clip gave me flash backs to childhood arguments and it is very ironic that there was an argument on the last blog and not yet on this one. However I feel as though we would benefit from having "argument rooms" because I feel as though some people would feel less compelled to argue in regular conversation, just for the sake of arguing.

Jake Fitzgerald

12/1/2013 07:35:10 pm

You're wrong

Matthew Antunes

11/18/2013 07:29:03 am

I'm sure we all remember having these types of arguments with siblings or friends. They would last forever and only ended when someone was fed up or the participents forgot why they were arguing. These arguments are usually comical and always lead to no solution to the problem. But come on they are pretty fun to do unless of course you have low patience.

Eddie Kwiatkowski

11/26/2013 05:51:48 am

Well, Matt, I am one of those people with low patience and hate these types of arguments. They are some of the worst times for me, as they are annoying and unproductive and not funny. Like you, I remember these arguments as a youngster with my brother, going back and forth for what seemed like forever. So I wonder why anyone would find humor in something like this and I question how many people here find these back and forth arguments fun or simply annoying.

Erin

11/27/2013 12:35:39 pm

I think what makes converstions like this funny or amusing is the fact that they are so relatable! Both of you just said that you remember having this type of conversation with a sibling or peer, as do I. I personally like evesdropping on convertions like these because I can take a side without wasting the engery to say "nuh-uh!" or "uh-huh!"

Joe B

11/28/2013 11:24:02 am

Eddie I'm getting a hunch that there is a possibility that you didn't like the clip. But its just a hunch really...

Zachary Iwuc

12/2/2013 06:22:07 am

Isn't it telling that all of us say we remember these arguments from our youth? I think that it proves they are immature when they only exist between siblings and friends at a young age. Now that we are not ignorant and we can think for ourselves and provide reasoning for our opinions, I have to agree with Eddie and say that they are only annoying, and in no way humorous. Ignorance is hardly ever comical, and these types of arguments stem from it

Jake Fitzgerald

12/1/2013 07:35:35 pm

wrong

Jack Farrell link

12/2/2013 02:52:53 am

Absolutely disagree. These arguments are only fun for the observer, and believe me, the charm wears thin. I should know: having little bickering cousins that clash every Christmas is hilarious...for a while. It's hysterical when they first clash, getting to use the words "poopy head" and "fart smeller" (among an impressive array of other fill-in-the-blank absurdity) without consequence. However, as soon as it becomes a shouting match of "'Shut up!' 'Make me!'," the comedic aspect dissolves. Pointless arguments are moot. If what you're arguing makes no sense, won't change anything, or is just a test of your vocal chords, than you should not be arguing about it. Just ask the political faction of your classroom!

...Also, how did I get here?

Ms. Dandurand

12/2/2013 03:01:16 am

Dunno Jack - maybe you just decided to copy down the website and log in?

Jenn James

12/3/2013 09:46:42 pm

I completely agree Jack. While these arguments can be fun for those standing by, it quickly becomes rather annoying. I have many younger cousins, as well as two younger siblings, and I can honestly say it doesn't take very long before I'm beginning to get the strong urge to rip my own hair out. I also agree with your statement about pointless arguments being moot, because they are exactly as stated: pointless. They have no real solution as both sides will never cave in.

Danielle Jordan

12/2/2013 07:21:05 am

I agree. I, for one, have two younger siblings. My sister and I fight all the time over pointless things and our arguments have no structure and are essentially futile. They end with both of us shouting in frustration, with one stalking away angrily and the other screaming for Dad to come solve the issue. It just goes to show you that arguments with no valid points and plain bickering never end well.

Catarina

12/3/2013 10:11:53 am

I also agree with Jack and Danielle, I have a younger brother and sister who bicker constantly about absolutely nothing.. "don't look at me" "stop talking" and "go away" just for the fun of it. They are nuts and end up just screaming for mom or dad to go and tell the other sibling to knock it off

Kevin Seaver

11/18/2013 08:07:04 am

LOUD NOISES! I would just like to point out that none of you goons know what you are talking about ever. Arguing is an art form, so let us exchange these opposing views, typically in a heated or angry fashion. But wait! Doesn't arguing go against every principle we know? Do we not want to establish peace in the hopes that prosperity will grow as a result. Why are we arguing (to come, this is simply myself from the future) instead of putting our heads together to rescue puppies or cure diseases or beat Lincoln. Are arguments not almost always about events of the past. We should move forward and progress who we are as people. You can't go back to yesterday because you were a different person then. Reading books makes people smart, watching TV makes people dumb. What makes people smart and not smart anyway?

But then again arguing helps people leave legacies. Let Joyce explain..." I've put in so many enigmas and puzzles that it will keep the professors busy for centuries arguing over what I meant, and that's the only way of insuring one's immortality"

But certainly all of us can agree that Spongebob was the greatest cartoon of our childhood...if not speak up, but I'm warning you, the hammer will drop as soon as you do.

I guess most simply put, nothing is more frustrating than arguing with someone who knows what their talking about.

Simplicity, patience, compassion.
These three are your greatest treasures.
Simple in actions and thoughts, you return to the source of being.
Patient with both friends and enemies,
you accord with the way things are.
Compassionate toward yourself,
you reconcile all beings in the world.

I'm not arguing, I'm just telling

"Those who know do not speak. Those who speak do not know."
-Lao Tzu

Kerry Connolly

11/24/2013 10:15:49 am

Kevin you took an interesting approach to the topic. However, while inspecting both views you essentially were arguing with yourself. On the other hand though by picking one view to discuss on the topic of arguing, we choose to support that side; ultimately ending in an argument. I know, CRAZY!

Zachary Iwuc

12/2/2013 06:42:58 am

Your conclusion is interesting because I perceive arguing with the ignorant as more frustrating than arguing with someone who knows what they're talking about. you, however, have a strong point because most people, including myself, are far too stubborn to admit they're wrong mid-argument. It seems as if the nature of an argument is competitive instead of solution-producing. butting heads for the sake of winning the argument is much more popular. No one likes a devil's advocate. But is a devil's advocate necessary to the progress of humanity? Will people simply all conform without one? These things make arguments a necessary evil.

Kyle Durkin

12/1/2013 07:22:40 am

Spongebob was not the best. That award goes to The Fairly Oddparents. No, I am not just saying this to create an argument. Or am I? Yes, I would rather debate "what was the the best childhood cartoon?" than save a puppy. Not beat Lincoln, though. I'd rather beat Lincoln. Unfortunately it's Sunday, and I watched too much football and ate too much stuffing to head over to our neighbouring town and jump somebody on the street. What've you to say to me now, punk? LET THE HAMMER DROP!!!!!!!

Matt Smith

12/1/2013 09:29:15 am

That's really something Kevin! You never fail to disappoint me young chap. However, besides being simply hilarious, your post is very moving in many ways. The way you worded all of your claims was superb. You also had a very intriguing hook by saying, "LOUD NOISES" as that made me feel rather rambunctious. However, one point that I praise you for writing was how you said that arguments lead to human progression. I like how you wrote that because I completely agree with you. Just think about it, without arguments, society would be the same way it was 300 years ago with african americans having no rights, woman being objectified, and America would still be under British rule. Now tell me, how do you feel about our current relations with Syria? Even though it is not all over the news anymore, chaos and anarchy are spreading throughout that troubled nation. We must ARGUE with one another to decide what we should truly do to erectify that current situation. Otherwise, we will not progress, and resolutions would be unattainable.

Jake Fitzgerald

12/1/2013 07:37:03 pm

"You're absolutely wrong"- Jake Fitzgerald

Alex Southiere

11/20/2013 09:48:31 am

That was so very entertaining. I think that to often people are dragged into these types of arguments and just get frustrated. They feel like they need to win an argument on something that has absolutely no meaning and never want to quit. Maybe they don't realize how pointless the whole argument is? Or maybe it's because they want to feel accomplished or do not want to feel like they gave up to easily? Either way,the hardest part is walking away, but You'll probably save a solid 10 minutes of your life if you do.

Jake Fitzgerald

12/1/2013 07:37:42 pm

Alex, you're wrong

Catarina

12/3/2013 10:16:29 am

Jake you're wrong

Katie McCaffrey

11/20/2013 08:40:36 pm

While y'all seem to have picked up on the pointlessness of arguing from this video I interpreted it differently. The guy was paying to argue. He wanted to argue just for the fun of it. Although they never came to any real conclusion and no body won It was all done for the simple sake of the sport of arguing. The technique was horrible but the spirit behind it was wonderful.

Kerry Connolly

11/24/2013 10:19:28 am

I agree Katie. This clip did focus on the sport of arguing, which one must have a passion for. But this only proves I guess why Debate team exists.

Eddie K

11/26/2013 06:05:23 am

I completely understand where Katie is coming from, as I am one of those people who take fun in a good debate. However, on Debate team, the thrill is not from senseless arguing, like in the clip, but of organized, civil debate. If Debate team ran like the clip, it would be an absolute disaster and chaotic. It is not what us debaters are about. Us debates have fun by arguing in a sophisticated manner, not in uncivil chaos. But we do have the passion for debating, like the main character.

Sydney

11/26/2013 07:55:02 am

This is so true, I didn't really look at it that way until right now. That's probably because conflict isn't really my thing. However, I bet everyone has those days when they are just looking for a fight and a place like that would be perfect!

Kevin Seaver

12/1/2013 09:39:41 am

Yeah I prefer the no conflict, Zen lifestyle personally. Or at least try to live that way. I find it keeps stress levels down and leaves a lot more room for a positive outlook which is always a nice thing to have.

Mackenzie Deak

11/26/2013 08:05:11 am

I see where you're coming from, Katie! I mentioned in my response that this type of arguing is pointless, but you do make a great argument yourself that some people are just looking for a good debate.

Sarah King

12/2/2013 07:46:44 am

It is human nature to debate with others. I believe that we have been bred to be competitive individuals. We will never be able to avoid that and I can't say that I would want it to be different.

Shane Simmons

11/27/2013 07:53:54 am

This is no religion, there is no spirit in arguing it happens because it is a natural viewpoint from a person's perspective. You are just flat out wrong. (Am i doing this whole argument thing right?) Besides the video is to show how simple it is to scam idiots these days not even about arguing. Plus we do not live down south no need for the "y'all" in your reflection. So with all this in mind, I must be a champion at arguing.

Julie F

11/29/2013 11:02:26 am

I'm glad I read your comment Katie because I took it as the guy was paying for a lesson on how to argue. Which I thought was amusing because he then started to argue the true meaning of an argument versus a contridiction to the expert arguer.

Sam

12/1/2013 01:12:45 am

You make a very good point there Katie, the fact that he was simply looking to argue for its own sake is what lead him to not find any substantial arguments. One forms a good argument when one has a cause to back that one feels passionately about. However, this man has no cause simply a desire to argue, and thus there are no substantial ideas to argue about other than argumentation itself. Ultimately, this is what the man was asking for, pointless argumentation for money, which is inherently bound to get him nowhere.

Jake Fitzgerald

12/1/2013 07:36:12 pm

wrongo

Jenn James

12/3/2013 09:49:08 pm

While I do see where you're coming from Katie, I don't think the spirit behind it is all that wonderful. As someone who has had their fair share of fights and debates, I can honestly say that pointless arguing for the "fun" of it, is never really all that fun. Arguments should be about things people are passionate about. Otherwise it'll end in ridiculous babbling where one person offends the other for absolutely no reasoning at all.

Eddie Kwiatkowski

11/21/2013 07:46:37 am

I didn't really appreciate the humor of the clip. Yeah, it's slapstick, Monty Python humor, hahaha. I didn't find this amusing at all, but rather just plain dumb. I didn't find the constant contradicting arguing funny at all, but rather annoying. I guess that is the point of the clip. It is showing that constant basic arguing will get you nowhere and is reserved for uneducated people. Like others here, I remember these arguments with my older brother and my parents as a child, simple "yes and no" backfire at each other. The reason why we don't use this type of argument anymore is that it is ineffective, as proved by the clip. What we need to learn to how to effectively convey our opinions and use the oppositions opinions to attack their argument. This is they way we must argue. On Debate Team, I have learned to express my argument, respectful listen to other's counter case, and then refute their case and reaffirm my case. This is what needs to be done in order to win an argument. Don't be Monty Python.

Joe B

11/28/2013 11:20:52 am

Jeez Eddie it wasn't that bad! I at least found it a little humorous, but yeah I get where you are coming from. No where in the real world do educated adults argue like that. My mom doesn't say "nuh uh" to the lady on the phone when she tells my mom that she can't have the deal she wanted on a product. She calmly explains her reasoning to the lady to try to reason with her as to what the offer on the website specified to try to get her way. Arguments like that get people no where, and they end up being pointless and annoying. If someone doesn't want to discuss their differing viewpoint on something in an educated manner then they are going to be ignored. Nothing gets done that way. But then again, that is why the skit was supposed to be funny.

Jake Fitzgerald

12/1/2013 07:38:38 pm

My dear Eddy, so wrong

Joe B

11/28/2013 11:43:20 am

Eddie you should do a "You Know What Grinds My Gears" segment on this.

Allie B

11/30/2013 01:24:28 am

In direct contrast to your opinion, the fact that this sketch is "just plain dumb" is exactly why I find it to be amusing. The whole point of Monty Python is to satirize things that they think are "dumb." In fact, the clip's message and your message are one and the same: "Don't be Monty Python." The creators of this clip are well aware that the form of argument that simply involves repetitive nay-saying is completely ineffective. They draw upon its immature, child like behavior in an effort to be humorous.

I can also relate to using this "yes and no backfire" with my brothers at a young age. In the end, nothing came of it since we both believed that we were right because neither of us had actually provided evidence to prove the other wrong.

Duncan

12/2/2013 08:23:33 am

Eddie, debate team is useless. If you want to learn how to make an argument, then you need to look at ancient bicycle commercials. Those guys knew how to sell you a bike. "Look at this solid piece of steal. The finest Detroit can offer. If you live in Detroit you shouldn't buy this bike without out warranty - only $29 a year for however long you keep the bike." That's an argument, not some haphazardly lazy pile of words that are slung around in "Debate" as an argument.

Nick Farrell

11/22/2013 12:26:03 pm

I enjoy dumb slap stick humor such as this, so i found myself rather entertained the whole way through. I enjoyed the abuse room most, and I've made it my mission to start using such insults in conversation. However, on to the relevant point of my rant. I agree with katie in that the video was made to poke fun at society and its addiction to a good argument. People find arguments exciting to watch and even more invigorating to participate in. I hate to bring politics into this, but i feel that it is a great example. Both parties will argue to the death about an issue and never actually take a moment to view the others side to perhaps resolve the issue in quick and helpful manor. While many people, like myself, find this to be incredibly annoying to even hear about, others will watch in awe as the "bigger kids" fight it out. Political arguments and issues are broadcasted day in and day in out for people to enjoy, as katie said, the sport in it.

Shane Simmons

11/27/2013 07:49:42 am

This video actually reminds me of your sense of humor, Nick. Although I have to disagree with you finding arguments pointless. Politics keeps this nation moving and its quite the opposite if you were to watch political debates I'm sure you would not be bored to death, but in fact, be rejoiced with life. This is no sport either, I'm typing letters onto a comment box using my keyboard, there is no football i can toss around, so vary irrelevant statement on you and Katie's behalf.

Jake Fitzgerald

12/1/2013 07:39:39 pm

Nick, buddy, you've got it all wrong

Danielle Jordan

12/2/2013 07:25:42 am

I agree, because it can be refreshing to watch silly and pointless arguments such as this. It was a lovely break from the well-structured, concisely put arguments we are forced to read in class. While those can prove entertaining, such as "A Modest Proposal" was, this slapstick argument sketch just shows the lighter side of an argument and how it can be fun to just "duke it out" in a silly bicker session.

Allie Baglini

11/24/2013 05:19:21 am

How convenient that we are watching a parody on arguments while learning about argumentative writing! Monty Python does a great job satirizing pointless, ineffective arguments. Arguing is so much more than simply contradicting what your opponent says. Effective arguments need substance and facts to be based upon. As the man seeking an argument states, arguing is an "intellectual process," and they must be well thought out.

On a separate note, I enjoyed the humor of this video clip. My two older brothers used to love Monty Python's Flying Circus and Monty Python and the Holy Grail, so I am very familiar with their work. My favorite part about this sketch was the ending, when the inspector says: "I'm arresting this entire show on three counts: one, acts of self-conscious behavior contrary to the 'Not in front of the children' Act, two, always saying 'It's so and so of the Yard' every time the fuzz arrives and, three, and this is the cruncher, offences against the 'Getting out of sketches without using a proper punch line' Act, four, namely, simply ending every bleeding sketch by just having a policeman come in and... wait a minute..." The actors are clearly not afraid to make fun of themselves, which is what makes this humorous to watch.

Jake Fitzgerald

12/2/2013 08:06:44 am

Allie, you've never been more wrong

Kerry Connolly

11/24/2013 10:27:08 am

As effective as the clip was, I do believe that it proved more about arguing than we have discussed in the blog thus far. In discussing argument writing in class, we have talked in depth about the "do's and don't's". Monty Python proves to us that a "yes" "no" argument is not substantial enough to come to a conclusion. Therefore, this is not an effective method for our argument writing. The fact that Monty Python is able to satirize the pointlessness of the "yes" "no" argument only forces the audience to realize that the method is truly idiotic and should not be practiced.

Mackenzie Deak

11/26/2013 08:01:38 am

Yes, I agree, Kerry! The video definitely proves that this type of arguing, just saying the same thing back and forth at each other, is not an affective way to argue. Although it was humorous at parts, people should not use this type of arguing to get their point across.

Jake Fitzgerald

12/2/2013 08:08:44 am

Kerry, wrong

Erin

11/24/2013 11:11:04 am

This video reminds me a lot of the conversations I have with my peers. I'm always the "nuh-uh" perspective. I think it's just natural tendency to fully believe you are 1,000,000,000,000% right all the time. "If you don't think you're right, then what's the point of arguing it?!" (My Little Brother Cam, 1).
I enjoyed the video up to the point where the man in the suit walked into the room with the fellow with the hammer. I don't know if that part was just beyond my intellect or what, but I believe the skit was funny enough without it. Anyone could argue that with me, but think I'm right!
As repetitive and childish as this video was, it is a clear depiction of how a lot of today's arguments go. All of the back-and-forth indicates a level of uncertainty and is a sign of people arguing about topics they don't know anything about. I'm sure we all know somebody who argues for the sake of hearing their own voice and that is exactly what is happening in this video. To avoid sounding unintelligent or repetitive in an argument, points that back up your main idea should be laid out beforehand.

Sydney

11/26/2013 07:52:10 am

Erin! This is the same type of idea i had:) Pointless arguments seem good if you believe in what you are fighting for. But people never take step back and evaluate their side of the debate. If more people did that there would be a lot less pointless arguments.

Joe B

11/28/2013 11:38:04 am

Nuh uh! The dude with the hammer was hilarious! What are you talking about!? Just kidding. Just arguing for the sake of arguing...I hate it when people do that! Those are times when the guy with the hammer needs to come in and shut those people up! It is absolutely true that if you want to have an argument about something then you should have some valid points to back up what you believe is correct. If you do not have these points then you probably don't know what you're talking about and you shouldn't be arguing about it. A person has to know what is their place to argue and what isn't, and if they are arguing about something just for the sake of arguing about it then they should just back off and stop being so annoying and contradictory. No one likes that guy.

Jake Fitzgerald

12/2/2013 08:09:31 am

Erin! You're wrong!

Mackenzie Malloy

1/17/2014 05:38:50 am

I have the same idea! This kind of arguing is unintelligent, rude, and extremely annoying. I think we all know someone who argues like this and can agree that, although it can sometimes carry some humor, its mostly annoying.

Sydney Beadles

11/26/2013 07:49:18 am

This argument would defiantly not score any of us a 4... or a 3.. or a 2.. I'd be surprised if it even scored a 1. With what we've been learning about proper argument writing aside, I found this video hilarious. I thoroughly enjoy things that are so stupid one cant help but laugh:) The video highlighted something I have always thought was comical.... unnecessary fighting. Everybody has seen it and some have certainly partaken in it. I am a love not a fighter so i always try my best to stay on the outskirts of said fights but watching from the sidelines is always funny. In the heat of the moment two people are upset and say whatever comes to mind, usually unimportant details and the unavoidable "yes i did", "no you didn't" responses... although these arguments are comical they are not logical... Maybe if people were forced to write an AP argumentative essay before engaging in conflict, the argument would actually resolve the issue at hand rather than irritate it.

Allie B

11/30/2013 01:39:21 am

You sure hit the nail on the head analyzing the true problem that this skit highlights: that pointless arguments simply perpetuate an issue rather than resolving it. When arguments are inefficient, both sides become irritated because no progress is being made. Neither side is able to walk away from the argument with new knowledge or an enlightened view.

Jake Fitzgerald

12/2/2013 08:10:08 am

Oh Syd, oh so wrong

Mackenzie Deak

11/26/2013 07:58:01 am

I found the concept of this video humorous, but after the part about him walking into the wrong room(abuse), I didn't really find it funny anymore. The video basically reminded me of my brother and I, as we argue constantly about the smallest things and then it just turns into an argument of "ya-huh" and "nu-uh". It just goes to show that it is completely pointless to argue about something as soon as it gets to that point of just saying yes and no back at each other. Neither person will get anywhere in the argument, yet all of us continue to do it all the time, I know that I'll still argue like this with my brother just because I want to prove that I am right, even if I may not be.

Sondra Taillon

11/27/2013 02:59:37 am

I also didn't like the idea that someone would pay for abuse. An argument ? Sure people need to blow off steam sometimes but the abuse was uncomfortable. At least they tried to make it light and humerous.

Julie F

11/29/2013 11:14:28 am

I thought the abuse part was amusing just as the other rooms were. Clearly they were meant as a joke (the room where people pay to get hit over the head) and it made the skit fit together as a whole concept of all the rooms in the building!

Sam

12/1/2013 01:08:24 am

I appreciated the abuse part for only its intrinsic slap stick humor but it revealed a substantial point about argumentation. The fact that it was uncomfortable is exactly the point trying to be evoked, it distinguishes true argumentation, from bitter personal affronts made at a rapid back and forth manner to seem slightly like an argument...expect it is not. Thus, the abuse was not only hilarious, but made some solid social commentary discrediting this form of communication, and distinguishing it from true argumentation.

Jake Fitzgerald

12/2/2013 08:10:47 am

Wrong, wrong, wrong

Sondra Taillon

11/27/2013 02:57:07 am

I found this video very humerous. It's interesting to think that someone would actually pay for an argument. And like most people on here said it brought me back to my childhood where I would be in a heated argument with my cousin. An argument that I could only support with yes and no. After watching this I kind of see why arguments make the world more interesting.

Jake Fitzgerald

12/2/2013 08:11:39 am

wow;wrong

Joe B

11/28/2013 11:09:29 am

I'm confused. I guess that was a pretty clever way to entertain someone for seven minutes without having to come up with any in-depth material, because they made up a whole skit in which they argued pointlessly about nothing and hit each other on the head. But as pointless as it was, it was very clever because they drew me in by confusing me so much. The fact that it was so silly and pointless is probably why I never once thought to stop watching and was enthralled in the video. Paying for an argument, now that's just bonkers! Who would do such a thing? The answer, though, is lots of people. There are people just like that who LOVE to argue and would contradict anything and everything to start one. Some people are just itching to start an argument and get heated at the slightest of things (my grandfather for one). These people are really annoying sometimes and should just calm down and not be so argumentative. They absolutely deserve to be hit over the head!

Kevin S

12/1/2013 09:37:27 am

Haha that's pretty good Joe. Yeah it is definitely true that some people just want to start an argument for arguments sake. Probably helps them to pass the time when they can't find much else to do. I agree though, those people deserve to be hit over the head.

Jake Fitzgerald

12/2/2013 08:12:29 am

Joe come on, that's wrong

Andrew N.

11/29/2013 06:51:35 am

Almost forgot about this, but thanks to the Holy Grail film, I remembered. After watching the clip, I have to admit I was groaning or just plain silent throughout half of it but there were points where I laughed. The arguments each of the characters had reminded me how time consuming these kinds of arguments are as they are redundant, circular, and just downright illogical. I do like the fact he paid for an argument and as weird as it is, the service is definitely quick and to the point. With the involvement of the officer at the end, I thought "Wow, this may be how many actual arguments could happen between two people who both felt they were wronged and have to tell their story to the officials." Although frustrating, the argument demonstrated in this clip brings a slight smile, mostly pained, to my face and I hope to start an argument like this with someone else, just to anger them and test their patience.

Jake Fitzgerald

12/2/2013 08:14:42 am

Andrew, this isn't correct, you're wrong

Julie F

11/29/2013 11:10:17 am

As I was watching this video I was instay reminded of the who's on third skit, which similar to this one slightly irritated me yet amused me at the same time. I get impatient when people, like the argument guy just contridict instead of actually making a supporting argument! However I thought the skit was hilarious especially the room where you pay to get hit in the head!

Kyle Durkin

12/1/2013 07:28:53 am

Julie, what are you, crazy?!? The "get hit in the head" room was, like, the most un-hilarious part of the entire clip! It's all about the guy with the shoes. Yeeaaahhh. This clip was not irritating at all, in my opinion. Was it a waste of 6 minutes? Debatable. Actually, probably not, considering this blog is a grade for our AP Language & Composition class with the lovely Ms. Dandurand :) (if you're reading this, brownie points..?? I think so) Otherwise, it was quite humorous. I'm impatient and irritated that this caused you to become impatient and irritated. C'mon, now, Jew Foo. Ju Fou? You're better'n that.

Ms. Dandurand

12/2/2013 03:02:44 am

brownie points?

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Jake Fitzgerald

12/2/2013 08:17:02 am

JULIE WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING YOU'RE DOING IT ALL WRONG

Sam

12/1/2013 01:02:23 am

Gee wiz, this was quite a humorous adventure into the art of banter. Of course its merits reached beyond humor and made some intriguing points about the downfalls of certain arguments. The room he first walks into is a situation we have most likely all encountered in which there is a slight semblance of argumentation, however, the abrasive nature of the conversation prevents any substantial argumentation, and it becomes merely a game of affronts. This is key that the video distinguishes this from real argumentation and labels it as "abuse" as many people feel justified in these situations when they have the label of argument next to whatever they say. Additionally, he successfully satirizes the distinction between unsupported negation and true argumentation, indicating the need for appeals to ethos, pathos, and logos for something to be considered a true argument. These situations we see often in everyday life, and it ultimately reminds us to only argue when a substantial point can be made, opposed to gaining satisfaction from baseless contradiction.

Kyle Durkin

12/1/2013 07:37:47 am

I must say, the clip definitely contained some pathos in its appeal to me, personally. Although, perhaps not the sort necessary for a valid and cohesive and effective argument...but more the type that'll make one giggle. Also, I must point out that while verbal abuse may very well lead to an argument, the sort of argument created is more emotional and less rational than a traditional argument. Actually, my mother and I have some experience in this field, although perhaps it'd be better to leave my issues in the house. Just like what happens in H304 stays in H304; what happens in the Durkin household stays in the Durkin household. Do you like my parallelism? Anyway, b these distinguishable features are likely what separates the two rooms "Abuse" and "Argument". I still think this clip was uber funny. Also, I just want to let you know that I appreciate your comment, Samuel a.k.a. Reginald.

P.S. I don't think I can come over your house tonight. I've done very little work on my statistics project that's due 1st period... :'( Give Matthew my salutations, though! Oh, and happy 5th day of Chanukkah!

Jake Fitzgerald

12/2/2013 08:18:04 am

Sammy ole boy, wrong

Kyle Durkin

12/1/2013 07:18:49 am

If only I could make an argument parallel to this one in a baseline assessment and not fail miserably. That being said, this argument wasn't entirely effective, but it hold some valid points depending on how one looks at it (stupid 4/3/2/1 rubric). For starters, though there was no real point to the argument, it was an argument nonetheless...or was it a contradiction? Just like the number of licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop, the world may never know. If one is judging the argument or its comedic potential, well, at least I would've given it a 4. This clip made me LMFAO! Pure gold. That's the problem with education today. Screw the Common Core. You can't judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree. For goodness sake...
As I was reading the comments posted above by my fellow comrades, I must agree that this video creates a sense of nostalgia. Arguments/contradictions such as this one could go on four HOURS back when I was a youngin'. The only difference, aside from the age factor, was I would never pay for it (school lunch was expensive enough as it was). This video was great. It brought me back to those days when I would lallygag aimlessly on a sunshiny playground, it made me laugh, and it most certainly was an argument regardless of what YOU think. Now, would any of you care to contradict my beliefs?

Matthew Rosasco Smith

12/1/2013 09:10:25 am

Absolutely phenomenal Kyle. I applaud you for formulating this piece of gold. You have some solid points in here. I completely agree with your statement on how the common core is bogus. Like seriously, this 4-3-2-1 nonsense is unbelievable. We have become slaves to these radical grading rubrics. And like you, I also believe that this video was very humorous and uplifting. It tickled my gut, A LOT.

Jake Fitzgerald

12/2/2013 08:19:11 am

Kyle, dude, you're wrong

Matt Smith

12/1/2013 08:29:53 am

I am going to join the "I think this clip is rather humorous" bandwagon. I declare myself to be a part of this bandwagon because I truly believe that this clip was satirical, and not just a plain waste of valuable time. I think arguing is essential to human progression. Without arguing and questioning other peoples' actions, society would not be as advanced as it is today. For example, racial equality would not exist today if someone had not argued that african-americans possess the same human qualities as the white folk. So essentially, if it wasn't for arguments, tension between the south and the north would not have existed, thus the civil war would not have occurred, and african-americans would be oppressed and inferior. Now who wants a society like that? NO ONE (well, besides unrighteous confederates). Not only would african-americans still be subject as slaves in society, but woman would still have no rights, cumberland school teachers would be left without health insurance, and Kerry Connolly would not be able to be the prominent and assertive woman that she is today. Arguments, my friends, are what makes the grass greener, the sun shinier, and the water clearer. But don't even get me started on abuse. Abuse is unjust. Simple as that. In no way, shape, or form is abuse ever beneficial. Abuse is only good for causing emotional distress and trauma. People who are abusive deserve to be jailed. Michael Vick payed his price, and so should every abuser that has ever existed. Therefore, I do not believe that the abuse portion of this video was humorous. Rather, I view it as being disgraceful as I am not a supporter of abuse, nor should anyone else. With this, I close.

Jake Fitzgerald

12/2/2013 08:20:20 am

Rosasco: you've got it allllllllll wrong

Zachary Iwuc

12/2/2013 06:19:00 am

These types of arguments are quite classic. When one thinks it is an argument simply because of audible contradiction, the "argument" is quite laughable. I am on the debate team, where I like to think we are professionals of arguing, and I would indeed argue that it isn't an argument without support or evidence to present in support of your side.

Jake Fitzgerald

12/2/2013 08:22:01 am

My dearest Wacky, I wrote you an acrostic poem. I call it YAW.
You
Are
Wrong

Danielle Jordan

12/2/2013 07:29:00 am

Although I found this clip deeply entertaining, for it reminded me of pointless fights with my siblings or parents or other relatives, I would have to say that this was not a true argument. As we have been taught in class (and through common sense) a good argument consists of evidence, logical points, and has a clear purpose. Although funny, the "argument" in this sketch is nothing more than a pointless bicker session. It contains none of the ethos, logos, pathos, thesis, or evidence that we have so painstakingly discussed in class, so it cannot be qualified as a true argument. However, it does illustrate how important it is to have these components in an argument so that an essay on your AP exam doesn't turn out quite so "slap-stick" and silly.

Sarah King

12/2/2013 07:44:14 am

I completely agree, Danielle. It can not be a true argument without any substantial evidence. Without evidence it is merely banter between two individuals, with no real motivation or passion behind it.

Jake Fitzgerald

12/2/2013 08:23:35 am

Danielle, your wrong. Yes I said your. That's how wrong you are. You own it. You posses it. It is YOUR wrong.

Sarah King

12/2/2013 07:54:08 am

All humans are born with some sort of competitive nature. This competitive nature drives us to desire to be better than our peers. It is this mindset and drive that allows and encourages us to debate with our peers. Sometimes, it is truly about important issues that have the potentially to change the world. However, more often the debate, much like in this clip, is about seemingly mindless and silly issues, without any real structure. I think it's important to note however, that it doesn't make these types of "debates" any less important. They still force people to be vocal and work on communication skills. Without the vocalization of opinions, much of country's and the world's history would have remain stagnant.

Jake Fitzgerald

12/2/2013 08:24:28 am

Sarah, could you be any more wrong?

Duncan

12/2/2013 08:01:21 am

Why is every one shouting?!! Oh, my bad, that's the wrong blog. Well, we'll just have to see where this takes. It's like hoping on a bus that you don't know where where it's going. Maybe you'll end up in Bikini Bottom, or maybe, just maybe, you'll wind up as extraterrestrial being in another dimension. Darn it all, still the wrong blog. I dont know how any one is hating on Monty Python right now. If you are saying bad things about the greatest comedy troupe of all time, extra dimensional or not, i will have strong words and quite possibly fisticuffs with you. Your petty arguments cannot top my logic that sits atop a unicorn that can do a handstand on cliff overlooking Helmsdeep Keep, which is besieged by the ten thousands of orcs of Sauron's army, being commanded by the White Hand of Sarumon. Oh god, off topic again, I must apologize for talking about things without knowing nothing about them (sarcasm to the umpteenth degree). Now we shall argue.

Duncan

12/2/2013 08:04:36 am

Jake fitz is the man. But, jake, you are wrong about them being wrong because they cannot be wrong nor right if they neither have a valid point nor idea as to who or what Monty Python even implies.

Jake Fitzgerald

12/2/2013 08:25:58 am

DUNCAN WRONG WRONG DUNCAN WRONG

Jack Farrell link

12/2/2013 08:52:32 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McAeQiLmEYU

Jenn James

12/3/2013 09:52:12 pm

I did quite enjoy this video for the comedic aspect of it, absurd arguing, awful punchlines, and people getting hit over the head, what more could you ask for? However, I agree with most other people that have commented already. Pointless arguing is infuriating. Too many times I've been locked in a car driving for hours with younger siblings who banter about the stupidest things. There's never a real solution and while the bickering can be quite comical when it's between younger generations, it quickly becomes annoying. Also, arguing with people who are not passionate about their stand point, or have no real stand point at all is incredibly frustrating.

Mackenzie Malloy

1/17/2014 05:22:47 am

I could not agree with you more. Pointless arguing is ridiculous and infuriating. People should be arguing about real topics, not just throwing their opinion in because they feel like it, especially if they know absolutely nothing about the topic.

Mackenzie Malloy

1/17/2014 05:21:03 am

I feel as though contradiction arguments happen more than actual arguments do. I remember as a kid pushing my parents buttons and contradicting everything they say. Sometimes, I will be honest, I still do that. I also know of a few classmates who do that to each other as well. I think we all do. I must say, that after watching six minutes of people contradicting each other, its a bit frustrating. I've noticed that I haven't really witnessed too many real arguments amungst my peers, unless of course its during a socratic seminar, but even then it can turn into a contradictory argument. I feel as though these sort of arguments really need to end because; One, there is not a winner or a loser, and two its just immature and annoying. If you're going to start an argument wise up and get your facts straight before you start attacking them. Also, respect one anthers opinions because when you don't, and just shoot down everything that they say, you look not only unprofessional but also disrespectful.

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